This podcast episode explores the concept of agents and the evolving role of Language Model Models (LLMs) in driving the control flow of applications. It discusses the spectrum of agents in the AI industry, the limitations of existing architectures, and the need for custom cognitive architectures. The episode also highlights the potential impact of autonomous agents and generative AI in automation and bridging the gap between idea and execution. The importance of planning, reasoning, and customization in developing effective cognitive architectures is emphasized, as well as the role of UX in improving LLMs. The conversation concludes by discussing the maturity levels of LLM applications and the challenges in observability and testing. Overall, it paints a picture of the transformative potential of agents and the ongoing exploration in the field of AI.