This podcast episode explores the growing integration of crypto and traditional finance, with a focus on Bitcoin and Ethereum. The discussion emphasizes the need to effectively communicate the value of crypto to traditional finance professionals and highlights the potential of Ethereum beyond a store of value. The podcast also delves into the challenges and opportunities in the crypto market, the changing perceptions of Ethereum, and the potential flippening with Bitcoin. Additionally, it discusses the importance of communication and collaboration between traditional finance and the Ethereum community. The episode concludes by discussing the potential impact of ETFs on Ethereum, the change to the statute of limitations, and the potential removal of Chevron deference.