This podcast episode explores the involvement divide in politics and the concept of political involvement as a continuum rather than a binary distinction. It discusses the reasons behind people's shift away from mainstream news sources and the rise of anti-establishment sentiment. The episode also analyzes the relationship between economics and political sentiment, the lack of significant movement in public opinion following Trump's conviction, and the impact of alternative media on political information consumption. The section highlights the complex dynamics of public perception, political cynicism, and voter engagement. Overall, it emphasizes the challenges of reaching politically disengaged audiences and the influence of media fragmentation on individuals' views on important news events.