This podcast episode explores the speaker's journey of building a ZKP verifier in Bitcoin and their motivation to create a better monetary system. It discusses the negative effects of fiat money, different perspectives on scaling Bitcoin, the eureka moment of BitVM, the concept and similarities of BitVM with optimistic rollups, the potential of ZK coins, the functionality and exiting process of BitVM layer 2, the benefits of using the Mantle layer 2, the incentives and business model of bridge operators, the profile of operators in Bitcoin Layer 2 projects, the potential impact of BitVM and ZK coins on the Bitcoin ecosystem, and the scalability limitations and future of Bitcoin.