This podcast episode explores the concept of Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) and the need for new approaches in its research and development. Mike Knoop, the co-founder and head of AI at Zapier, discusses his involvement in AGI research and the launch of ARC Prize, a million dollar nonprofit public challenge aimed at accelerating progress towards AGI. The episode highlights the limitations of current approaches, such as large language models, in achieving true AGI and emphasizes the importance of discovering and inventing alongside AI systems. The speaker explores potential approaches like program synthesis and neural architecture search, and addresses concerns around the commercialization of AI research. Overall, the episode emphasizes the importance of open-source collaboration and new ideas in driving progress towards AGI.