This podcast episode explores the challenges of navigating a VUCA (Volatility, Uncertainty, Complexity, Ambiguity) world and the need to reconceptualize organizations and resources. It emphasizes the importance of coordination, co-creation, and distributed leadership in shaping individual identity and fostering effective group dynamics. The conversation also highlights the power of conversation and collaborative problem-solving in bringing positive change to organizations. It raises thought-provoking questions about the nature of organizations, the role of coordination and communication, and the measurement of the value of the relational process. Overall, the episode emphasizes the interconnectedness of organizations and the need to prioritize relational processes and well-being over individual units and profits.