This podcast episode explores the early days of the UFC, including the relaxed rules, the introduction of gloves, and the experiences of two MMA legends. It highlights the evolution of the sport, the challenges faced by fighters, and the potential for behind-the-scenes manipulation. The episode also delves into the speaker's personal experiences, including disputes with individuals and health challenges. The conversation touches on the importance of mental and emotional fortitude in fighting, the rules and ethics of fighting in MMA, and the speaker's trilogy of books. Throughout the episode, the speakers provide insights into the raw and unpredictable nature of fighting, showcasing their unique perspectives and experiences.