This podcast episode features a profound conversation between Jim Rutt and Tore Norretranders, centered around the intricacies of consciousness as explored in Norretranders' book, "The User Illusion." They delve into the evolutionary significance of consciousness as a high-cost user illusion, the stark bandwidth disparity between the vast information our brains process and our limited conscious awareness, and the implications of classical experiments on our understanding of free will. By distinguishing between the conscious "I" and the unconscious "me," the dialogue interrogates the nature of decision-making, the inherent unpredictability of life, and the importance of embracing life's uncontrollable elements for genuine happiness, ultimately suggesting that satisfaction lies in engaging with the world in all its complexities.