This podcast episode explores the journey of Athletic Brewing, a non-alcoholic beer company, and highlights the challenges and triumphs they faced in building their brand. The conversation covers topics such as building authentic brand partnerships, destigmatizing non-alcoholic beer, the impact of wearables in health monitoring, the role of high-intensity interactions in building brand affinity, navigating regulations and marketing in the industry, the concept of a tipping point in entrepreneurial success, and the importance of angel investors and long-term belief. The episode also discusses the cultural differences in the popularity of non-alcoholic beverages in Europe compared to the United States and the importance of non-alcoholic options and community places. The speaker also shares personal insights on the sensation of drinking and the placebo effect.