This podcast episode features a conversation between Luke and Ellen discussing Luke's artistic approach, the significance of nervousness in artistic practice, the impact of new media on art, the inspiration behind Luke's graph paintings, the concept of polarization in society, artistic concepts and personal expression, the significance of self-portraits, weightlessness as a temporary escape, the trajectory and legacy of painting, and the interpretation of paintings in a museum. The episode explores the intersection of art, politics, and societal divisions, emphasizing the importance of perseverance and seeking guidance from history. The uniqueness and complexity of visual imagery are also highlighted.