This podcast episode explores the fundamental misalignment between credit card issuers and business owners, highlighting the need for simplicity and success for the latter. Ramp, a new player in the industry, aims to address this issue by helping business owners spend less money and time. The conversation dives into the business model behind credit cards like the black card and Chase Sapphire, contrasting them with Ramp's approach. The founders of Ramp engaged with finance teams and founders, building real relationships and understanding customer needs, which contributed to Ramp's early success. Additionally, the episode discusses the importance of co-building, the development of accounting software and OCR technology, balancing regulatory requirements with fast software development, managing enterprise relationships, and the unique approaches taken by Ramp in managing their cap table and financing. It also explores the benefits of using stablecoin, the future aspirations of Ramp, the changes in travel patterns within companies, and the success of Ramp in generating significant revenue. The episode concludes with a discussion about Canalyst, its role in simplifying the process of building integrated models, its scorecard process for evaluating companies, and its expansion to different markets.