This podcast episode explores the collaboration between designers and product managers. It discusses the challenges in this collaboration, the role of product managers in different companies, and the importance of collaboration in successful product management. The episode emphasizes the need for alignment, understanding, and resource allocation, as well as the significance of collaboration in addressing uncertainties and working with domain knowledge. It also highlights the findings of a study on the overlap in roles between PMs and designers and the importance of employees knowing the company's business goals. The role of a PM in team alignment, mindset setup, and effective communication, as well as the responsibilities of a PM in problem-solving, research, and building clarity, are also discussed. The episode concludes by emphasizing the importance of trust, clear communication, and collaboration in the design process, and addressing challenges such as wrong mindset and micromanagement.