This podcast episode explores the intersection of decentralized AI, cooperation, and the potential for a more hopeful future. The speakers discuss the challenges and opportunities of aligning AI with human needs, the importance of decentralized infrastructure and governance, and the potential risks and rewards of superintelligent AI. They highlight the value of predictions and the potential for AI world-world models to provide highly useful and less risky superintelligence. The conversation also touches on the role of agents in decentralized organizations (DAOs) and the emergence of cooperative multi-agent systems. The speakers envision a decentralized future where individuals have control over their own autonomous agents and can participate in an Internet of Agents for coordination and collaboration. Overall, the podcast explores the possibilities and implications of decentralized AI and emphasizes the need for ongoing research and exploration in this field.