This podcast episode features an interview with Bill Dembski, a Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute. The conversation explores the concept of informational realism and its role in understanding the mind-body problem. Dembski argues that by giving primacy to information rather than matter, we can move away from a mechanistic view and recognize that the mind and consciousness are fundamental aspects of information. The discussion also delves into the constraints imposed by materialism on understanding various phenomena, the concept of free will within a materialist framework, and the relationship between information and energy. The episode highlights the interconnectedness of information and energy and raises questions about how they interact. It ultimately emphasizes the need to step outside of a purely materialistic view to gain a deeper understanding of reality.