This podcast episode features a conversation between Ken Chenault and Ken Frazier, CEOs of American Express and Merck respectively, discussing the changing landscape of CEOs speaking out on societal issues. They emphasize the importance of understanding that businesses depend on democratic principles for long-term success and advocate for CEOs to consider speaking out to protect democracy. The discussion also highlights the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in businesses and dispels the misconception that broadening opportunities leads to a decline in quality. The speakers stress the need for equal opportunities and address the challenges faced by women and minorities in accessing senior management positions. They also discuss the importance of civil discourse, constructive dialogue, and respecting different perspectives in resolving societal divisions.