This podcast episode discusses the increasing sophistication of supply chain attacks and the challenges in securing software supply chains. It emphasizes the need to bridge the gap between promised solutions and what is actually feasible, explore other factors beyond known vulnerabilities, and shift left in the development process. The conversation also explores the benefits and risks of using microservices in application architecture and the shifting risks associated with technologies. It highlights the role of Gen-AI techniques in addressing resource constraints and the importance of code analysis and identification. The episode raises important considerations for the future of the security market and the integration of security as a feature using AI. It also explores the potential of generative AI and LLMs in improving code security and discusses the process of integrating these technologies into products.