This podcast episode explores the themes and storylines in Leigh Bardugo's latest novel, The Familiar, set in 16th century Spain, where the protagonist, Lucia, possesses the ability to perform small miracles. The section also delves into the history and importance of Ladino, a language spoken by Jewish communities in exile, as well as the limitations and exceptions within historical narratives. The concept of secret societies at Yale University and the potential consequences of magic in the real world are also discussed. The episode further delves into the themes of hell, shame, and catharsis in Bardugo's fiction, the differences between her books, and the significance of canes in her life. Additionally, the transformative power of reading and writing for Bardugo is highlighted, along with an exploration of Sonny Rollins' career and the publication of his notebooks.