Ep. 126 (Part 2 of 3) | Purpose guide, activist, nonduality student/teacher, and meditation teacher Jonathan Gustin is passionate about bringing the subject of the metacrisis into spiritual practice, essentially updating spiritual traditions that originated on deeply local levels to reflect the world of interrelated global crises we live in today. Jonathan proposes we delve into the relationship between nondual awakening and the metacrisis, using the metacrisis as our spiritual koan, and fostering within our contemplative practice a sense of responsibility for life that manifests in activism. Jonathan’s focus is also on guiding individuals to explore the notion of soul-level purpose—not only to discover our true purpose but embody a purpose that is consistent with love without boundaries.

This is a warm, lively, far reaching, and enlightening discussion, tying many intriguing subjects to the overarching theme of nonduality, metacrisis, and soul-level purpose: Native American vision questing, karma yoga, skillful communication, the developmental stages of purpose, the consequences of the delusion of separateness, the difference between humancentric nonduality and ecocentric nonduality, and much more. It is deeply inspirational to approach the metacrisis (which Jonathan provides a wonderful definition of) as an investigation into our relationship with life and reality. Recorded April 4, 2024.

“The metacrisis is non-separate from meditation, from spiritual awakening, from your soul purpose.”

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Topics & Time Stamps – Part 2

Vision questing, praying for guidance, being the open space where insight can enter: “Show me the path that my people can live” (00:52)
The benefits of outdoor meditation: “Throughout the universe, one body revealed” (02:58)
Nonduality and forest activism (07:40)
Can we be responsive to the suffering of the whole, wherever it may be? (09:59)
Skillful ideals are pointers, not destinations: it’s all a journey (10:39)
Developing collectively to where everything is sacred again (14:36)
The consequences of the delusion of separation awaken you to wholeness: being wholeness, expressing wholeness (17:15)
The shadow of nonduality: responsibility, the soul piece, activism (20:02)
Why are nondual teachers not talking about the metacrisis? (24:40)
Traditional spiritual teachers were practicing on deeply local levels; we are now living in a world of global crises, all interrelated, all creating exponential growth of more crises (31:45)
How can we talk about the metacrisis? How can we not talk about the metacrisis? How comfortable do we need to allow people to be? (35:52)
The beauty of the word “both”: can we hold two people, two perspectives, opposite aspirations at the same time? (39:19)
Skillful communication: listen, ask people to explain their positions, do these conversations as a spiritual practice (41:26)
Practicing karma yoga: using our work and relationships—our life—as the vehicle of awakening (43:54)
It’s going to take every mature person possible to power us out of our adolescent stage (46:38)

Resources & References – Part 2

Wallace Black Elk, Native American shamanic teacher,

Jonathan Gustin (Part 2) – Integrating Activism and Spiritual Practice: Nonduality and the Metacrisis

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