This podcast episode explores the challenges faced in learning transfer and the historically low rates of transfer in training and development organizations. The discussion highlights the reasons behind these low transfer rates, such as the separation of training from actual work and the focus on delivering content at a low cost. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the real working environment and collecting meaningful data. The episode also emphasizes the need for better communication and accountability in learning and development, as well as the significance of expectation and accountability in maximizing the impact of training. The conversation discusses the different value propositions for training and the importance of managers playing an active role in supporting employees after training. It emphasizes the significance of partnership and accountability in training delivery and the need to overcome fixed mindsets in organizations. Overall, the episode sheds light on the obstacles hindering effective training transfer and provides insights on how to address them.