This podcast episode explores the significance of evidence-based learning in driving genuine impact and effective development. The conversation emphasizes the need to challenge outdated assumptions and prioritize research-backed principles in learning and development efforts. It discusses the importance of evidence in evaluating and improving practice, as well as the challenges and resistance to implementing evidence-based approaches. The speakers stress the importance of starting with the end in mind, using multiple sources of evidence, and collaborating with stakeholders to make informed decisions. The episode also highlights the value of continuous learning, collaboration, and professional development for learning and development professionals.