This podcast episode explores the historical debate between big blockers and small blockers in the crypto community, focusing on the Bitcoin block size wars and how it has shaped the development of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. The episode also discusses the design philosophies of Solana and Ethereum, highlighting the trade-offs between scale and decentralization. Additionally, the emergence of Layer 2 solutions on various blockchains, the vision of Cosmos, and the advantages of Layer 2s over Layer 1s are explored. The speakers emphasize the convergence of blockchain designs towards a small block anchor for a big block universe, and the potential for Layer 2s to enhance scalability and functionality. Overall, the episode provides valuable insights into the ongoing debates and trends in the crypto industry.