This podcast episode explores the nature of religious belief, the relationship between science and religion, and the role of intentionality in religious belief. It delves into the concept of a hierarchy of aims and the religious enterprise, the brain as a battleground of emotions and motivations, and the concept of the divine in the Old Testament. The speakers also discuss the nature of thought, the relationship between trust, goodwill, and science, and the conceptualization of God as a relationship. They explore the preconditions for the scientific enterprise, the reputation and potential perversion of science, and the relationship between science and societal context. The episode concludes by discussing religion as a "nurse crop" for science and civilization, the current state of secular morality in universities, and the dangers of artificial intelligence.