This podcast episode explores the intersection of technology and finance through the lens of corporate governance. The special guest, Mike Puangmalai, is an expert in corporate governance, with a background in activism and software engineering. The host, Tobias Carlisle, discusses the evolution of investment firm Relational and its approach to corporate governance. The speakers delve into the intricacies of board governance, compensation analysis, insider trading laws, and the case study of GreenSky. They also examine the challenges and strategies employed by DoorDash in the food delivery business. The episode concludes by highlighting the importance of governance practitioners embracing their role as artists and fostering accessibility and inclusivity in knowledge sharing.