I wrote this entire post in February of 2023, during the fallout from the TIME article. I didn't post it at the time for multiple reasons:

because I had no desire to get involved in all that nonsense
because I was horribly burned out from my own community conflict investigation and couldn't stand the thought of engaging with people online
because I generally think it's bad to post on the internet out of frustration or outrage

But after sitting on it for a full year, I still think it's worth posting, so here it is. The only edits I have made since February 16th, 2023, were to add a couple interstitial sentences for clarity, and change 'recent articles' to 'articles from February 2023'. So, it's not intended to be commenting on anything more recent than that.

I am precommitting to not engaging with any comments, because I am [...]

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Outline:

(01:53) Committees/panels

(02:14) Investigations eat up hundreds of person-hours

(02:52) Panels generally dont have much real ability to enforce things

(03:38) Panels act like they are courts of law

(04:54) Panels often lack a secure sense of legitimacy

(05:31) Favorable rulings can lend legitimacy to bad actors

(05:53) Extended investigations are extremely stressful for all parties involved

(07:30) There is often no way to find the objective truth

(08:41) Other approaches

(08:45) Throwing out due process is also problematic

(09:19) Codes of conduct cant save you

(09:38) You cant impose strictures unilaterally / without the consent of the governed

(10:45) Introducing codes of conduct creates weird dynamics

(11:18) Its difficult to write rules that will actually lead to the thing you want

(12:36) Going to the authorities

(13:10) Title IX

(14:35) The police

(15:39) HR departments

(15:49) Case study

(16:41) Whisper network

(17:26) CFAR panel

(20:05) Medium posts

(20:47) REACH panel

(21:35) When does community resolution work?

(23:01) What would be the elements of a good system?

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First published:
January 16th, 2024

Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/sJEcNgqnSL2n35QWR/the-impossible-problem-of-due-process

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“The impossible problem of due process” by mingyuan

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